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great explanation and also thats precisely a preset in ozone match eq 🙌🏻

Hi..thanks for the tips! I'm getting ready to copyright a song AM , and I am not happy with the slight unison/muddiness of my two lead strings & viola that come in together ..think my panning is okay, but needs better EQing... I'm checking both out tonight. 👍This was a big help ..thanks again

I never used pink noise in any way, but I'm sort of thinking now maybe this technique would be decent to use as a reference. Or even to compare with your own choices and draw some information. I personally wouldn't use this technique in the final mix or master. But I would consider using it as a reference to make choices. The problem is that the spectrum will detect your most common notes and overtones and turn them down, then take all the rare notes and overtones and turn them up. You could end up with a weird disbalance over time. Therefore I'd look at the general pattern, like "it's getting rid of a lot of mud here, it's boosting some presence here" and then go ahead and apply that myself using a traditional EQ. No mixing or mastering engineer in their right mind would introduce such complex EQ adjustments to a whole mix, you're literally kinda ignoring all your previous decisions that you made based on feel.

Hi Trey - good video. I don't use Logic so maybe I am wrong? ... Your mixed track has low end rolloff - spectrum analyzer shows this - so yes, the Match EQ is going to bump up low end to compensate. Can't see the high end spectrum but upward compensation indicates the high end was rolled off too. That said, isn't this the kind of scenario where you use the 'Fade Extremes' check box, so Match EQ can compensate w/o such an obvious over-the-top mistmatch?

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Except most music is oriented on target noise with a slope of -4.5db per octave, pink noise has one of -3db... Also the variation of those targets are highly genre dependent. A very big help for mixing to targets is ayaics ceilings of sound Equalizer. I recommend everyone who is interested in this topic to try it out, it's a little confusing at first, but a time-saver once you realize how it works.

A great follow up to this video would be adding reverb. :)

ey its very interesting... did u know whatplugin can do that the eq match? for free or at least for low price casue i have ozone elements x_x

Good tips bro

This technique is really good for getting started. I am pretty new to mixing and mastering so I am not entirely sure what to look for. Not having the best headphones makes this even harder. I just installed YSFX and the free spectrum matcher and applied this to an orchestral track I made. Even for my ears I could instantly tell that it made a huge differens and cleared up alot of the mud, especially during times where the entire orchestra is playing. It felt like a great quality improvement. especially when consindering the little amount of time it took.

Very good explanations! Keep up the good work.

That's an interesting approach. Pink noise is used by speaker manufacturers & in the final analysis by mastering engineers. Of course, there is a corresponding reason. It follows then that there are many reasons for paying attention to the importance of p/n in mixing to get a balanced profile. What you don't want is a carbon copy of the standard p/n profile! The method being shown in amateur UA-cam 'miss down' videos is wrong. You do not apply p/n by bringing up each track then tucking it under the p/n. This has the effect of killing all the dynamics like a brick wall 'tilt' limiter on steroids. The correct way is to bring the tracks above the profile so that the dynamics are not limited to the p/n ceiling. By doing the opposite the track will sound weak, lifeless, unnatural & choked out. The objective is to find the general profile trend (!) - not a sonic haircut like a pot on somone's head & cutting around it! Lol! Your approach works similarly as described because its aliowing the p/n trend without pinning the frequencies down in a sonic stranglehold. You can insert a VU meter & set a 3 dB peak value to keep an eye on exessive peaks, or add a mastering compressor/limiter & subtly adjust to taste.

Killer move. Nice work, good sir!

Incredible vid - thanks!!

😂less mozzies more viola...made my day!... & big thanks for the great tutorial

Isn´t there an inherent musical problem with this though? The song is in a key... wouldn´t you be boosting frequencies (essentially note fundamentals) that aren´t in your key? I´m not sure how useful the "traditional" pink noise mixing really is, but there you are not "artificially" boosting frequencies, rather just controlling the individual levels of tracks. This method is more like "pink noise mastering"? This method creates the same problem as EQ matching to a reference song. There are just so many factors that can lead to "artificial" sounding results. We´ve even done REALLY close cover versions of tracks and tried EQ matching with the original (just as a final layer in the master) and it´s produced really weird effects. We´ll have to give it a try and see the results. Cubase doesn´t have EQ match by de-facto, but I think IK, Izotope and FabFilter do.

HOLY SHIT... this is AMAZING!!!!!! I've tried mixing to the pink noise... it's alright; but this, THIS helps SOO much with the problem of having a muddy mix that I seem to be plagued with no matter what I try

6:00 you swapped low pass and high pass. But excellent info!

Super helpful. Thanks so much!

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Tray I have a mix that would need your expert help ( string Quartet individual stems with piano and vocals) How do i contact you?

pink nose has too much high end

I made a pink noise curve for Baby Audio Smooth Op. Works pretty good.

Good tips, brother. Thanks for posting!

I've been struggling with this and finally a decent video to follow.

I have used this method while mastering when I don't trust my ears. You can have it ignore the highs and lows. I have used the Izotope Match EQ to do this as well.

thank you

4 yrs later and this video is still helping people.... Like me 🙌🏾 Great work!!

CONVERSIAL? PEOPLE USE THIS TECHNIQUE FOR DECADES BEFORE DIGITAL MIXING

So well described Made me wanna subscribe 😆 💯

So basically this gain staging to-18db rule is just nonsense. If I understand you correctly, you mean I should just stop thinking about the numbers but make sure that I'm not clipping anywhere. Then I can proceed to balance my mix with the faders ?

Great tutorial Trey! Question for you: I've just upgraded (finally) to Fabfilter Pro Q 3 and it has an EQ matching feature. I've not been able to figure out how to do it in the same way as you have with your EQ but what I have done is to insert a pink noise loop as a track, whack an EQ on that and analyse and then store the learnt spectrum as a reference. I've then added an EQ at the end of my master bus and loaded up the saved reference to EQ match. I can see and hear that it appears to be doing something along the lines of what you've got here but if I apply any more than 5% of the reference EQ parameters it starts to sound bad. This got me thinking that the db level of the pink noise (which is set to zero on the track) could be affecting the result. Do you have any tips on what level I should set the pink noise to before I save the reference, or am I over thinking it and, given the proportionate signal content of pink noise, even if I've captured the reference running fairly hot (but not clipping), it would just be a case of applying a smaller % of the EQ match on the master? Thanks in advance man!

ayeee my name is Trey too!

Would you also use stereo widening for a string quartet?

You are not mixing anything here. You're just EQing your rendered master.

If you recorded every intrument separatley obviously it is easy!

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I use it as my start point

Great video!

It's a neat way to use match EQ. I had tried that too but it was mostly useless for me. The reasons are: One, in the time it took you to do that, I already knew what EQ changes had to be made to get it more balanced towards pink slope. It's IMO much faster just to memorize the slope you want and watch the spectrum analyzer in real time, making general adjustments accordingly. Second, that huge spike the match EQ gave you at the top and bottom of the spectrum is worse than useless. If you could bypass just the high and low shelf or adjust them separately, what you'd have left might be somewhat useful. Third, it's always better to adjust individual instruments to balance sound than to EQ the mains. I would have gone straight to the violin with some EQ (probably active) down round 4k, then looked to how to boost the treble of the mix in general. IMO, EQ on the mains should be a last resort and for VERY minor changes. As for mixing to the pink slope. In general I've been leveling with a slope similar to what you showed and getting very predictably acceptable balance in sound. Granted I don't do it by ear. I do it by eye on the graph because it's much more predictable. It's not the be all end all though. Because of how the ear perceived loudness depending on spectrum saturation and harmonics, blindly mixing to the slope isn't a good idea. Similar to what you said though, it seems to be a good starting reference point for leveling. I find I usually have to make moderate exceptions most places. So for me the slope is a guide to stay roughly around but not a hard rule.

Izotope’s eq match allows you to ignore applying EQ at the high and low end - which is where the problem areas tend to be when matching to pink noise.

Great vid. I came across it while looking for a way to change pitch on snare etc. Is it possible in Producer Kits to do that, do you know? Thanks!

slamming vocals with one compressor gives you that radio compressed sound which sounds pleasantly warm to me i guess due to the distortion.

Best tut for mixing strings on the tube! Really helpful, applying it now. Thank you!

thx for this tip, very helpful ! support from Malaysia

Yes, very helpful. I was practicing with sidechaining today, and you gave me some extra helpful tips, like making the release time long. Thanks!

Man I love what you do Thanks a lot for the effort

This makes a LOT of sense. Thank you!

Very well done